Mike from Four Pillars asked me recently what I had been buying during the TSX meltdown. I had been saving the bulk of my margin for just such a buying opportunity, so I definitely went shopping.
I previously posted my stock position as of the end of July. Since then, on margin, I’ve put another $15K into the market (two $5K buys of BMO and $5K of NA). I regretted purchasing RUS almost immediately after the purchase (somehow I didn’t realize it was a cyclical), so even though its down a lot I haven’t extended my position in it). It was up $200 after I bought it and realized it didn’t meet my criteria, so maybe I should have sold… Hindsight is 20/20. I feel like I over-bought Rothmans, and in some ways I worry that it might be riskier than banks (they haven’t banned banking in public places yet). At one point my portfolio was 1/2 ROC (and I basically said at that point “enough”).
| Stock | Shares | Dividends / month |
| ROC | 705 | $70.50 |
| BMO | 294 | $66.64 |
| RUS | 159 | $23.85 |
| NA | 168 | $33.60 |
| Margin | $28K | -$164.45 |
On a monthly basis, this gives me a “cashflow” of -$5.42 (so my passive income has become passive debt $32.64 (stupid addition!). I was tempted to pick up another $5K of NA, and actually put in an order for it at $53.38 (2 hours after it had been that price), but its just been moving up since then so I missed out.
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My hope is that the dividends will pay the interest charges mostly, and if one or two of the dividends gets raised, pretty quickly it’ll start paying down the debt. If there was a massive drop (to the point where my margin debt reached 70% of the value of my securities – if my stocks dropped 18% from their current value) I would have to pay a margin call (add money to the account to prevent them selling off my securities), which I’d be willing & able to do (I have $10K cash right now, and a $20K LOC). The other risk is if none of the dividends are raised, or if RUS cuts its dividend, eventually I’ll have to transfer money into the account to pay off what would become the mounting debt. I am aware of this risk and accept it. The other risk is if interest rates shoot up, E*Trade’s margin debt interest rate is based on prime, so it would increase as well. I would just start paying it down more aggressively in this situation.
Since I can deduct the interest charges (as investment expenses) and the dividends are tax preferred, I’m expecting the tax savings will more then make up for the $4 / month.
While there are some risks, and my passive income has gone down a bit, I think this is a rationale attempt to take advantage of what I hope was an irrational dip in the market. If all of these companies went bankrupt, I could afford the $163 / month payments (and you’d read me grumbling about it for some time
).
I realize also that I am very focused on banks (long term I’d love to add in some solid dividends from companies in an unrelated sectors such as Loblaws and an Energy stock and a partially unrelated insurance and investment company). Furthermore I realize I may be over-focusing on high-yielding dividend stocks rather then stocks with high dividend GROWTH. Right now I like the money in the bank and being able to have a foundation I can count on rather then buying for (less certain) future gains. As long as the dividends keep up with inflation (3% annual growth, which would be considered VERY meager), I’m content.
So there I am
. It doesn’t really matter, but the current value of my securities is $48.8K (down $750 from what I paid for them) and I’ve received $72.60 in dividends so far (from ROC). I’m expecting my next dividend to come at the end of the month from BMO.
August 23, 2007 at 9:23 am
Totally my personal opinion here but I would stay far away from Loblaws (L) stock. There are several better dividend choices in the Canadian market including firms in retail, utilities, and staples.
August 23, 2007 at 10:14 am
What interest rate do you currently pay with ETrade?
August 23, 2007 at 10:42 am
MG: That’s my feeling too… People keep saying what a deal Lobalaws is right now, but that investors don’t like the Westons… I’m more looking to diversify in the future as opposed to being in love with any company (my true loves are the big 6 banks)
telly: 7% (https://www.canada.etrade.com/pages/home/fees.shtml – click on margin rates at the bottom). Basically the rate starts at Prime+1 and drops as you borrow more money. They’ll loan you up to 70% of the securities (stocks) you own, as long as the stocks are worth at least $5 (they won’t extend you as much credit if you’re buying penny stocks)
August 23, 2007 at 11:48 am
Here’s a good article in the globe today about div stocks.
https://secure.globeadvisor.com/servlet/ArticleNews/story/gam/20070823/RCRUNCHER23
I eventually want to diversify out of the banks too..I’ve been watching Enbridge.
2 other things – would it be possible for u to put the value of each holding as a percentage of your portfolio? Also – what did you pay for BMO this time around?
Mike
August 23, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Percentage in terms of purchase price, dividend payments or current value?
for my BMO:
Date – Shares – Price
05/17/07 – 65 – $68.880
06/06/07 – 71 – $69.740
08/01/07 – 77 – $64.93
08/14/07 – 81 – $60.8
August 23, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Mike,
With the canadian utilities, be careful as their growth is a little anemic when compared to where they have been trading lately. I have Fortis (FTS) and TransCanada (TRP) on my watchlist, but I believe they are both very expensive currently, especially FTS.
August 23, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Mike: Thanks for the link. Enbridge does look nice. Tom Connoly really likes CNR, but it just seems like such an old school company / industry waiting to be ripped apart (like BCE).
I knew a few people who worked at CNR (or had a parent who did) and it seems to me that the unions have taken over, and they only survive by being protected by the government (I guess you might say the banks trive under Canadian government protection too though)…
August 23, 2007 at 12:47 pm
As far as Loblaws goes their growth expectations are pathetic compared to where the stock is trading. Their marketing has gone down the tubes (have you seen the new PC ads with Galen Jr…brutal). Their dividend has been stuck in neutral for quite a while now (no dividend growth). Sales and margins are being squeezed by Wal-Mart and Sobeys which is actually doing a pretty good job.
I don’t see any reason going forward for Loblaws prospects to improve. I don’t know what I was thinking as I actually owned the stock about a year ago. I sold it when I realized that their goals included setting the bar extremely low. They really screwed up when preparing for Wal-Mart Supercentres….so badly that I think in the meantime they took their eye off the ball on food retailing and lost some ground to Sobeys, Metro, and Wal-Mart themselves. I don’t think Wal-Mart will take over Canadian grocery the way it did in the U.S., but I don’t get excited thinking about Loblaws prospects going forward when you could own so many better businesses in Canada like Tim Hortons, Shoppers Drug Mart, Reitmans, etc.
August 23, 2007 at 12:51 pm
MG: Shoppers is probably something I’ll be keeping my eye on (if I was buying in my RRSP I’d be tempted to pick up JNJ).
Do you treat all financials as one category, or do you consider insurance to be somewhat independant from banking?
August 23, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Insurance is definately different from banking however I wold not want to expose myself in too great a percentage to financials which would include insurance and banking.
Insurance is probably the smartest business idea in the history of the world. I really like the idea of buying insurance companies like MFC, SLF, and GWO.
“You give me a little money each month and if anything ever happens to you I’ll pay you X, but you better try to live you life in a way where the odds of something happening to you are lowered…then you can pay me less per month…but just a little less…” – GENIOUS
August 23, 2007 at 1:04 pm
I’m in the process of opening a non-registered account at Questrade. I’m procrastinating a bit (what else is new?!) but I’m eyeing ENB as my 1st Canadian stock to purchase. Other than that, all indexing except for JNJ in my 401k.
August 23, 2007 at 1:25 pm
telly: 401k? I thought you lived in Windsor?
MG: That’s my feeling as well. I’ve very opposed to any insurance except to protect against CATASTROPHES (I can pay $600 to repair my car or $1500 to replace a stolen bike myself, thank you very much). I guess from that perspective, I should want to own insurance companies (since I think they’re getting by far the better deal). Its a chance to own “the house”.
Tom Connolly seems to think SLF is a killer deal right now (in his last newsletter he said he didn’t think it would ever go over a 2.74% yield, and right now its at 2.7% (I think it WAS briefly over 2.74 during the recent volatility). Why do you like MFC over SLF?
August 23, 2007 at 1:26 pm
Mr C – percentage of current value of your holding.
You got some BMO pretty near the bottom – good buy.
MG – thanks -I’ll keep that in mind. I don’t really have an plans to buy anything in the near future but eventually I will.
Mike
August 23, 2007 at 1:35 pm
Mr. Cheap,
I live in Windsor but work in the US so I have both 401k and RRSPs. All my US holdings are in US$ in my 401k.
BTW, the rental house looks fantastic now, the RE market is pretty cr@p, and it looks like we’re getting bites at renting room by room so we may just keep the house…after all, we’re probably done with most of the hard work now. Just thought I’d give you the update in case you were hoping to buy it.
August 23, 2007 at 1:37 pm
I believe MFC is overall a better company and a better growth story, however as you’ve seen recently at my blog i like SLF under $50 because it is really cheap.
August 23, 2007 at 1:40 pm
BMO – 39.8%
NA – 19.3%
ROC – 31.7%
RUS – 9.2%
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fiancials – 59.1%
services (metals) – 9.2%
consumer goods – 31.7%
August 23, 2007 at 1:55 pm
telly: I’d only be interested in buying if you’d be interested in still maintaining / running it (and why wouldn’t you just keep it if you were
). I couldn’t run a Windor property from here unfortunately.
I think that’s a great plan. Hold on to it! Pull out money from it to put in the market, but I think hiring people to do more stuff around the property while your husband recovers from landlord burn-out would be the best approach…
(you have more RE experience than I do though, so take my advice with a grain of salt)
August 23, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Actually, I think your advice is spot on! Experience definitely doesn’t always mean having the right answer that’s for sure.
I don’t mean to highjack your thread but the update is that we’ve hired a guy (just recently moved here from Toronto) to find the tenants and do some clean up. We pay him one month’s worth of rent. So far, it’s totally worth it. Meeting kids at the drop of a hat to show them the house takes a lot of work.
As you can see, we like your advice of letting others take care of some of the work. After all, my husband has a basement to finish at home.
August 23, 2007 at 2:54 pm
telly: Part of the reason I’m trying to avoid marriage is the ring seems to come with an infinite “to do” list.
August 23, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Nah…it’s not that bad…I was kidding…well, mostly.
August 23, 2007 at 11:05 pm
I also have about $28k in margin, but my interest rate is only 6.2% from Interactive Brokers. Check them out.
BTW, dividends are practically tax-free in BC, so I can reinvest them back to purchase more shares. Even though high yield stocks may not raise their dividend/share as quickly, the increased share count will make up for the difference.
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August 24, 2007 at 8:51 am
FJ: Yes, I’ve read about that. I half thought about moving out to BC once my dividends grow to a point that it would be significant (I like the west coast, so I wouldn’t be moving JUST for tax purposes
).
I think my rate is actually 6.75% right now (it’d be 7% if I had under $10K borrowed), so I don’t think it’d be worth moving for 1/2 a percent (which would work out to about $140 / year). Thanks for the info though!